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Published on September 12, 2008 By jesseledesma In Politics

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     This morning, a taxi driver took out his towel, set it up in a corner, took his shoes off, and I  assume he started praying to his god.  He is lucky he is living in a country were he can do that with out being attacked.  Mrs. Sarah Palin lives in this country too.

     As is the case most of the times, when I write I am ussually inspired by some injustice I have witnessed.  Last, night I saw Mr. Charlie Gibson, of ABC news attack Mrs. Palin for her faith.  I was reviewing the web news pages for some notes on my video blog when I ran across a link to an ABC ineterview between Gibson and Palin.  Mr. Gibson actually had the nerve to demand Mrs. Palin justify her statements that she had previously made in her church. I say demand because even the question is offensive.

     The two issues that are bugging me here are "freedom of speech" and "right of religious epxpression".  These are rights protected under the American Constitution.  No one should be requirred by liberal news people, with no god, or any one else to justify their faith. 

     Now, the news people want to imply that because Mrs. Palin said that the mission in Iraq is a call from God that she is a religious radical who wants to govern according to her theology.  When these wars began, I too sensed some divinity in the American soldier's actions.  Any time you stand up to evil in defense of the good you are working for God whether you are a willing participant or not.  Saying that life has a plan and everything that happens is a detail of this plan is just expressing your opinion according to your faith.  Last, time I checked every one in America has the right to their opinion and their religion.

     Futhermore, if the American liberal news wants to paint Mrs. Palin as a religious radical let them present the evidence.  I challenge any one to present credible proof that Mrs. Palin has governed according to her theology.  Now, I know people have accused Mr.s palin of a lot, but where is real proof, not inuendo and/or suposition.

     I can very easily speparate the statements made to a congregation by one of its members as that person expressing her religious beliefs.  After all she was at her church.  She was not a political event, talking about politics.

     The reality is tha people who have never had a personal encounter with Jesus Christ will never undersand people who have had this encounter.  However, just because of a lot of knee- jerk- reactionaries cannot stand to hear the name of God does not mean that in America people do not have the right of free speech and religious expression.  Furhtermore, a person of the Christain faith is not automatically a religious finatic. 

God is a loving God who educated his people on how to be humble and serve with dignity and grace.  Outsiders cannot take a person's religious speech and use it as a blanket generalization about a person's personality.  Palin is a Christian.  She is also a politician.  Neither of these two facts interfer with the other.  Only in the perverse minds of people who value nothing and believe in less does a person's religious speech equate for a person's complete value system.  Again, I challenge any one to show real proof that Mrs. Palin has tried to legislate in a religiously intolerant manner.

 

 

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Comments (Page 1)
on Sep 12, 2008

     The answer to your post is an easy one.  The Forefathers concretely installed the concept of seperation of church and state into our Constitution.  End of subject.  No one disputes Gov. Palin's right to her personal religious views.  What is in duspute is her (and anyone else for that matter) installation and integration of her religious views into her politics.  Religion has no place in government in America.  Please read our Constitution. 

on Sep 12, 2008

God is a loving God

Who wants us to go to war, right? 

 

Jesus...you never cease to amaze me on how little you grasp reality.

 

Also, I second the above comment...says everything that should be said.

~Zoo

on Sep 12, 2008

Seperation of Church and State?  Silly me, my copy of the Consitution (and Amendments thereof) only mentions that the State shall not dictate a religion.  Nothing is stated ANYWHERE in the document that says that individuals may not be religious while holding office. 

If everyone is to be held to the standard that Thomas Jefferson alluded to in various letters (again, not part of the Constitution, itself), then all of the athiests in office are not allowed.  'Cause Atheism ('cause it IS a system of beliefs, by definition) is a religion and should not be allowed.

If Palin's religious views aren't allowed into her political views, then the other 3 people on the Democrat and Republican tickets are automatically disqualified as well.  But, I ask - where does this requirement come from?  Can you show me where in the Constitution (as amended) this requirement comes from?

on Sep 12, 2008

The answer to your post is an easy one

The question was whether or not she has ever governed according to her religious beliefs, not whether she's allowed to have beliefs or not. She IS allowed to have beliefs. End of subject. If she has ever governed according to them in a way that contradicts the law, then by all means, give her hell. But the original post asked for proof of that, and so far no one has any.

on Sep 12, 2008

Thanks for the article on Palin's first official interview as VP nominee. IMO, Charley Gobson was the one who ended with egg on his face (and someone's got to tell him to lose the "I'm the stern master looking down on you" glasses.

 

Palin is a Christian. She is also a politician. Neither of these two facts interfer with the other.

I disagree 100%.  A true Christian orders his life and forms his conscience according to Almighty God's moral absolutes....that can't be separated once he enters politics. Those politicians who separate their political selves from their Christian selves are hypocrites. So far, Palin is no hypocrite and that's one of the reasons she's so popular.

Even though in an interview last week with George Stephonolpous, Obama slipped and referred to his "Muslim faith" , Obama calls himself a Christian, but by his 100% pro-abortion voting record, he doesn't walk the Christian walk. Same deal with Sen. Joe Biden, he's a Catholic hypocrite.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

on Sep 12, 2008

As is the case most of the times, when I write I am ussually inspired by some injustice I have witnessed.  Last, night I saw Mr. Charlie Gibson, of ABC news attack Mrs. Palin for her faith.

Oh please, you've attacked Mitt Romney for his faith several times, so has everyone else.  Is that not also an injustice?

the mission in Iraq is a call from God that she is a religious radical who wants to govern according to her theology.  When these wars began, I too sensed some divinity in the American soldier's actions.  Any time you stand up to evil in defense of the good you are working for God whether you are a willing participant or not.

So why don't you go out there and fight?  Or wait, can you?  I mean, are illegal aliens allowed to fight for this country?

Seriously, Jesus, get a grip on reality, man.  Then go home.

 

on Sep 12, 2008

but by his 100% pro-abortion voting record, he doesn't walk the Christian walk.

You need to pick and choose what is important to you of the teachings in your religion.  Those who let religion dictate exactly how they think and feel about everything, I believe, are numbing themselves with a false reality at this day and age.  The morals and guidance that following a religion can provide are second to none, because the message is powerful and pure.  However, I suggest picking the messages that ring true to yourself in order to live a better life and be respectful to others.  In order to be a Christian, one does not have to be a fundamentalist.  They are stories to help people live better and be good to each other, not complete lessons that unlock the truth to all life.  In my opinion, there are many things that the church has wrong, but it is too stubborn to see.  There are other aspects to the whole "pro-abortion" (I dislike that term) stance that might be beneficial. Obama will not vote against abortion because there will always been those situations with rape, incest, or the case of endangering maternal health that will hopefully keep from allowing such an outright ban to be put into law.

on Sep 12, 2008

Seperation of Church and State? Silly me, my copy of the Consitution (and Amendments thereof) only mentions that the State shall not dictate a religion. Nothing is stated ANYWHERE in the document that says that individuals may not be religious while holding office.

If everyone is to be held to the standard that Thomas Jefferson alluded to in various letters (again, not part of the Constitution, itself), then all of the athiests in office are not allowed. 'Cause Atheism ('cause it IS a system of beliefs, by definition) is a religion and should not be allowed.

Excellent point Chaos Manager.

The mis-interpretated phrase, "Separation of Church and State" seems to be the foundation that secularists base their views yet, as you say, it doesn't appear anywhere in the Consitutition or the First Amendment. Thomas Jefferson never meant to remove religion from the public arena, but to protect it from government control or limitation. What's so hard to understand about this?

 

on Sep 12, 2008

You need to pick and choose what is important to you of the teachings in your religion. Those who let religion dictate exactly how they think and feel about everything, I believe, are numbing themselves with a false reality at this day and age. The morals and guidance that following a religion can provide are second to none, because the message is powerful and pure. However, I suggest picking the messages that ring true to yourself in order to live a better life and be respectful to others.

Kurtin,

Christianity is a set of truths to be believed as well as a life to be lived. It imposes obligations upon the intellect and the will. Christ said, "If you love me keep My commandments. He didn't call them suggestions and He sure didn't give permission to pick and choose which of His teachings we'd like to keep or not.

The Catholic Church teaches very clearly that the political order is not separate from the Divine order revealed by faith (Gaudium et Spes, 74).  Catholics cannot compartmentalize faith, for example, we can't claim to  "love our neighbor" reject Catholic teachings on the protection of life of the baby in the womb, our most innocent neighbor.

on Sep 12, 2008

The answer to your post is an easy one. The Forefathers concretely installed the concept of seperation of church and state into our Constitution. End of subject. No one disputes Gov. Palin's right to her personal religious views. What is in duspute is her (and anyone else for that matter) installation and integration of her religious views into her politics. Religion has no place in government in America. Please read our Constitution.

Oh Lord, every time this comes up...

Anyways, there's nothing concretely installed about separation other than not mandating a church (anyone seen Starship Troopers 3? That's what it's like) that's mandatory for everyone.

on Sep 12, 2008

Those politicians who separate their political selves from their Christian selves are hypocrites.

elected officials who enact policy or legislation predicated on their personal religious beliefs (christian or not) while claiming to represent any community other than their own congregation are not only hypocrites...they're malfeasant, misfeasant, nonfeasant and arrogant violatiors of public trust and, most likely, any oath they've sworn at beginning of their term.

despite claims by iran's theocrats, afghanistan's taliban, a few remaining monarchs and perhaps the pope & dalai lama, no national leader is elevated--whether elected, appointed or forcibly imposed--to whatever position of power he or she may hold by divine right or authority.

those who demand--or even defend--dominionism insult the memories and sacrifices of all those who helped to emancipate those of us fortunate enough to have been born in this country and others no longer ruled by self-proclaimed prophets or messengers. 

americans who are able to separate their political selves from their christian selves oughta be aghast at blasphemous assertions god is associated in any way whatsoever with the present administration's diabolic iraq crusade

on Sep 12, 2008

Outsiders cannot take a person's religious speech and use it as a blanket generalization about a person's personality

if only you'd keep that in mind whenever you are overtaken by an impulse to fulminate about muslims, mormons or anyone else who hasn't

had a personal encounter with Jesus Christ

that meets your approval.

on Sep 12, 2008

elected officials who enact policy or legislation predicated on their personal religious beliefs (christian or not) while claiming to represent any community other than their own congregation are not only hypocrites...they're malfeasant, misfeasant, nonfeasant and arrogant violatiors of public trust and, most likely, any oath they've sworn at beginning of their term.

Kingbee, do you think legalized slavery would ever have been overturned if people of faith had chosen to keep their religious convictions private? I don't.  

I don't know of one Catholic who seeks laws that would require other citizens to attend Holy Mass or observe Lenten fasts, do you?

Now, there are some principal rights which the Catholic Chruch must and defend....the protection of basic human rights through legislation and policy, such as the right to life from the womb to the tomb, the rights of educational freedom and the rights for a fair living wage.  

on Sep 12, 2008

Christianity is a set of truths to be believed as well as a life to be lived.

I'm sorry, but that is a crock, in my opinion.  They are not truths.  If you are trying to tell me that everything in the Bible happened exactly as written, then I feel you should wake up to the world around you.  The story is meaningful, the messages are of positive intent, and good can be spread by having that ability to recognize human flaws and trying and amend errors.  The principles to living a good life are made clear within each religion, but to believe that Catholic Commandments are the only ones that are true takes real guts or ignorance in my book.  I'm not going to call it faith...in most cases that's just a cop-out for not wanting to look deeper or seek to expand our perception of the truth.  I can go to church and listen to the messages, apply positive ones to my life, feel remorse and regret my sins while seeking to redeem myself, and believe I am connected with an almighty being.  I am my own, unique being as I was intended to be, and along with that comes my own judgment, my own feelings, and my own level of spirituality.  I know you're probably thinking "enjoy Hell, kurtin", but I'll be chillin' with all the aborted babies and everyone else never baptized since Christianity is truth.

on Sep 13, 2008

Obama calls himself a Christian, but by his 100% pro-abortion voting record, he doesn't walk the Christian walk. Same deal with Sen. Joe Biden, he's a Catholic hypocrite.

What makes it hypocritical is that you & ilk force private matters to go public. Separation protects religious rights as well as the right of governance--neither should exercise intolerance.