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Consumer rebellion to lower prices.
Published on September 19, 2007 By jesseledesma In Politics
Ok, I really do not like HIllary Clinton and I think time is better spent focusing on the positives in the conservative movement.

However, this talk about a need for healthcare reform has gotten my attention. In this debate, the first point I would like to make is that less than 14 percent are uninsured in America. The news has been reporting that 44 million are unisured. Well, there is 300 known people in America.

I divided 300 in to 44 (300/44) and I got 13.6 percent. Now, how should we interpret this? To me this means that 86.4 percent are insured. Now can 86.4 percent insured people in America be a health care crisis?

In texas, even though you do not have insurance you can not be denied medical treatment at a hospital. Therefore, it cannot be that people are not getting treatment.

I think the reason healthcare is on the democrats and news media evil and sinister minds is that they cannot win with knocking Bush on Iraq and the economy.

Only a fool would say America has a bad economy. The economy is great. Tax revenue is up at the treasury. Salaries are up. Americans are saving and investing.

In addition, this last week's report by Patrues shows major improvements in Iraq. Conratualations and good job Mr. President.

Therefore, in my opinion, they are making up issues and the liberal-agenda driven news media is helping them democrats. The rhetoric is so high that some republicans are sounding the horn of neededd health care reform in America, also.

Now, what do I know about health care. Well I know we as people are not good at taking care of our selves and American medicine is "repair" medicine and not "illness prevention" medicine.

In addition, health insureance companies cheat and rob people. I was looking at insureance rates on the internet. The best I saw was a $88 a month premiun, a 2500 deductible, and a $35 dolor co-pay on doctor's visits. In El Paso a doctors visit is about $75.

Well, I used my financial calculator to figure out how much I would have if I put 88 a month into a five percent annual interest account and after taxes I would get 1,349. That is close to the deductable. Therefore, in my simple analysis it would be better to put $88 dollars in a five percent interst account and pay my medical bills from that, then pay for medical insureance.

Now for regular doctors visits and and maybe sound medicines this would be a good practice. However, what if I get a serious illness? Hum, good question. Well is there insureance where I can take care of the small stuff my self and have insureance cover the big stuff?

Oh that is right greedy and unscrupulous insureance comapnies do not like to pay for the big stuff. Don't they even deny people insureance for previous existing conditions?

Moreover, I have asked this question before and I will ask it again. "How can people with cell phones, cable/satelite TV, and internet justify asking the government to pay for their healthcare. I actually know people who pay $500 dollars a month on their cell phone bill, but do not have health or life insureance.

Of course I want to beat home the point that you cannot trust insureance companies. I do not want goverment forcing me to engage in a business relationship with business people I know are going to try and screw me at the first chance they get.

I don't mind being responsible. I'll even buy health insureance. However, some one better tell what they are going to do to keep CEO's of major insureance companies from leaving the coutnry with all my money. Remember Enron?

Okay, now I will trash hospitals. Yes they do charge more than they should, in my opinion. Look at the salaries of hospital administrators and you will see why you pay $100 dollars an aspirin that you can get a 100 for five bucks at the store.

Now, they will tell you it is for funding new medical technologies. I have never believed that lie. Hospital cost, in my opinion, are high because hospital administrators like to make a 500,000 a year salaries.

In my opinion, it is profitting at its worse.

This does not however allow Hillary and comapny to declare a health crisis in America. Again, 86 percent insured in America is not a crisis.

The poor not paying their fair share, greedy hospitals, greedy insureance companies, greedy pharmacies, and greedy politicians make for high health care in America.

Therefore, the issue for me is not that 13.6 percent in America are uninsured. The issue for me is the greed and waste in hospitals and doctors offices.

Insuring people will not lower prices. Forcing me to buy insureance will not lower prices. In this healthcare equation, not even competition lowers health prices.

May be a consumer rebellion where people picked hospitals and doctors offices to lower their prices might work."

Comments (Page 5)
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on Oct 01, 2007
I guess the vast majority of Congress who the people elected to pass laws like the one we are talking about is a MEDIA POLL!


No mention of the current 25.3% Congress approval rating.

This is what gives me hope for 2008 elections!
on Oct 02, 2007
Reply By: Adventure-Dude Posted: Monday, October 01, 2007
I guess the vast majority of Congress who the people elected to pass laws like the one we are talking about is a MEDIA POLL!


“No mention of the current 25.3% Congress approval rating.”

That is because they can not change the policies especially in Iraq. The reason for the inability of Congress to make the changes the majority wants is because of the GOP and Bush!

“This is what gives me hope for 2008 elections!”

That the people will be elected that will follow the will of the Majority not just the conservatives!
on Oct 02, 2007
That is because they can not change the policies especially in Iraq. The reason for the inability of Congress to make the changes the majority wants is because of the GOP and Bush!


Yes, because the minority GOP's are bullying the majority (in congress) and making the whole Congress look bad?

HAHAHA I think it shows that the leading left politicians are full of all talk no action!

The voting in Dems as majority to me was a statement by the people to the Conservatives to come back to their base. No inclination that people really wanted dems in power but to make a point to the GOP. Those are my thoughts.

That the people will be elected that will follow the will of the Majority not just the conservatives!


Yep, no more politicians. Would be nice to do some house cleaning on the elitists!
Hmm, Murtha, Kerry, Clinton, Reid, Schumer, Pelosi, etc...

Sadly I voted for one DNC who ran as a moderate but is totally left. Salazar from Colorado is my biggest disappointment vote. At least we have Allard to make CO a null state as they usually vote opposite.
on Oct 02, 2007
venture-DudeOctober 2, 2007 13:19:56Reply #72
That is because they can not change the policies especially in Iraq. The reason for the inability of Congress to make the changes the majority wants is because of the GOP and Bush!


“Yes, because the minority GOP's are bullying the majority (in congress) and making the whole Congress look bad?”

100 % correct. The GOP has blocked bills in the Senate where you need 60 votes to bring a bill to a vote. The S-Chip Bill that passed Congress by a large majority in the House and Senate will need to revive a 2/3 vote if Bush Veto's the bill as he has said he would do. Vote after Vote to change the Iraq War Policy the way the VAST MAJORITY of Americans want is not taking place because of the GOP members in Congress! The reason policies are not changing is because the GOP is blocking the road. They need to be replaced in November 2008!
on Oct 02, 2007

100 % correct. The GOP has blocked bills in the Senate where you need 60 votes to bring a bill to a vote. The S-Chip Bill that passed Congress by a large majority in the House and Senate will need to revive a 2/3 vote if Bush Veto's the bill as he has said he would do. Vote after Vote to change the Iraq War Policy the way the VAST MAJORITY of Americans want is not taking place because of the GOP members in Congress! The reason policies are not changing is because the GOP is blocking the road. They need to be replaced in November 2008!


Col, how can you blame the GOP for the lowest approval rating in HISTORY???

This didn't happen when the GOP held the majority now did it?

on Oct 02, 2007
That is because they can not change the policies especially in Iraq. The reason for the inability of Congress to make the changes the majority wants is because of the GOP and Bush!


You have no idea what the majority "want".  Even the democrats are now saying they won't immediately pull troops from Iraq if elected.


Col, how can you blame the GOP for the lowest approval rating in HISTORY???


As usual, he blames Bush and the republicans.  The democrats hold no accountability in his mind, even though they have squandered their power with useless investigations and witchhunts. 
on Oct 02, 2007
even though they have squandered their power with useless investigations and witchhunts.


That's because the GOP is just FILLED with bad people. How many convictions have they gotten?
on Oct 03, 2007
“Col, how can you blame the GOP for the lowest approval rating in HISTORY???”

The dissatisfaction is with Congress and the fact they are not changing the old policies. The ONLY reason Congress has not changed the Bush policies that the majority want changed is because the GOP has prevented the Bills the Democrats have initiated from becoming law. If the GOP members of Congress voted for the changes the people want, Congress would be very different approval rating.


“This didn't happen when the GOP held the majority now did it?”

Where were you in 2006? That is just what happened and is WHY Both houses of congress changed in 2006. WHY do you think voters shifted control of the Congress from the GOP to the Democrats? If the GOP had been supporting policies that the majority wanted there would not have been ANY reason for the majority to vote to give the Democrats control. The problem is many voters do not pay attention as to how Congress must operate. A simple majority when the other party controls the White House is not enough to pass anything! You also need 60 votes in the Senate to bring a bill to a vote if the minority will not vote for cloture.

The voters must be made to understand their dissatisfaction with Congress is BECAUSE of the GOP and their refusal to VOTE for change!
on Oct 03, 2007

Where were you in 2006? That is just what happened and is WHY Both houses of congress changed in 2006. WHY do you think voters shifted control of the Congress from the GOP to the Democrats? If the GOP had been supporting policies that the majority wanted there would not have been ANY reason for the majority to vote to give the Democrats control. The problem is many voters do not pay attention as to how Congress must operate. A simple majority when the other party controls the White House is not enough to pass anything! You also need 60 votes in the Senate to bring a bill to a vote if the minority will not vote for cloture.

The voters must be made to understand their dissatisfaction with Congress is BECAUSE of the GOP and their refusal to VOTE for change!


so in other words when the GOP majority Congress and Rep President begin their jobs Jan '09 we'll have to hear more crap from you?

on Oct 03, 2007
Before I start, I will have to admit I haven't followed this really closely, but I had thoughts nonetheless.

"I divided 300 in to 44 (300/44) and I got 13.6 percent. Now, how should we interpret this? To me this means that 86.4 percent are insured. Now can 86.4 percent insured people in America be a health care crisis?"


Just the fact most people have coverage does not mean they aren't being screwed out of money (not only in their premiums, but also treatments) or that those uninsured are unimportant. I dont know if I would call it a "crisis", but, what exactly does "insured" mean? What is the quality of coverage? What type of coverage? In college I had a crappy dental coverage I bought for $150, was I one of the "insured" even though I had no other coverage? If it was instead a crappy health coverage, would I have been "insured"?

"In texas, even though you do not have insurance you can not be denied medical treatment at a hospital. Therefore, it cannot be that people are not getting treatment."


Yea, and im sure no one else is paying for the loss. People get mad at the thought of having to pay for other people to get treatment, but isn't that exactly what happens already?

"In addition, health insureance companies cheat and rob people...... Oh that is right greedy and unscrupulous insureance comapnies do not like to pay for the big stuff. Don't they even deny people insureance for previous existing conditions?....... Of course I want to beat home the point that you cannot trust insureance companies...... Okay, now I will trash hospitals. Yes they do charge more than they should, in my opinion. Look at the salaries of hospital administrators and you will see why you pay $100 dollars an aspirin that you can get a 100 for five bucks at the store."


Huh, you seem to be arguing FOR reform.... shouldn't those be on the list of reforming that needs done?

"I do not want goverment forcing me to engage in a business relationship with business people I know are going to try and screw me at the first chance they get...... "


86% of the people are already, why is reforming and reducing the corruption bad?

"The issue for me is the greed and waste in hospitals and doctors offices.

Insuring people will not lower prices. Forcing me to buy insureance will not lower prices. In this healthcare equation, not even competition lowers health prices."


From the sounds of it, you are saying Hillary just wants to force everyone to have coverage while keeping everything that is bad about the system now intact.... and if that was the case, I would agree, but I highly doubt that is the case.
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