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Published on September 19, 2007 By jesseledesma In Politics
Ok, I really do not like HIllary Clinton and I think time is better spent focusing on the positives in the conservative movement.

However, this talk about a need for healthcare reform has gotten my attention. In this debate, the first point I would like to make is that less than 14 percent are uninsured in America. The news has been reporting that 44 million are unisured. Well, there is 300 known people in America.

I divided 300 in to 44 (300/44) and I got 13.6 percent. Now, how should we interpret this? To me this means that 86.4 percent are insured. Now can 86.4 percent insured people in America be a health care crisis?

In texas, even though you do not have insurance you can not be denied medical treatment at a hospital. Therefore, it cannot be that people are not getting treatment.

I think the reason healthcare is on the democrats and news media evil and sinister minds is that they cannot win with knocking Bush on Iraq and the economy.

Only a fool would say America has a bad economy. The economy is great. Tax revenue is up at the treasury. Salaries are up. Americans are saving and investing.

In addition, this last week's report by Patrues shows major improvements in Iraq. Conratualations and good job Mr. President.

Therefore, in my opinion, they are making up issues and the liberal-agenda driven news media is helping them democrats. The rhetoric is so high that some republicans are sounding the horn of neededd health care reform in America, also.

Now, what do I know about health care. Well I know we as people are not good at taking care of our selves and American medicine is "repair" medicine and not "illness prevention" medicine.

In addition, health insureance companies cheat and rob people. I was looking at insureance rates on the internet. The best I saw was a $88 a month premiun, a 2500 deductible, and a $35 dolor co-pay on doctor's visits. In El Paso a doctors visit is about $75.

Well, I used my financial calculator to figure out how much I would have if I put 88 a month into a five percent annual interest account and after taxes I would get 1,349. That is close to the deductable. Therefore, in my simple analysis it would be better to put $88 dollars in a five percent interst account and pay my medical bills from that, then pay for medical insureance.

Now for regular doctors visits and and maybe sound medicines this would be a good practice. However, what if I get a serious illness? Hum, good question. Well is there insureance where I can take care of the small stuff my self and have insureance cover the big stuff?

Oh that is right greedy and unscrupulous insureance comapnies do not like to pay for the big stuff. Don't they even deny people insureance for previous existing conditions?

Moreover, I have asked this question before and I will ask it again. "How can people with cell phones, cable/satelite TV, and internet justify asking the government to pay for their healthcare. I actually know people who pay $500 dollars a month on their cell phone bill, but do not have health or life insureance.

Of course I want to beat home the point that you cannot trust insureance companies. I do not want goverment forcing me to engage in a business relationship with business people I know are going to try and screw me at the first chance they get.

I don't mind being responsible. I'll even buy health insureance. However, some one better tell what they are going to do to keep CEO's of major insureance companies from leaving the coutnry with all my money. Remember Enron?

Okay, now I will trash hospitals. Yes they do charge more than they should, in my opinion. Look at the salaries of hospital administrators and you will see why you pay $100 dollars an aspirin that you can get a 100 for five bucks at the store.

Now, they will tell you it is for funding new medical technologies. I have never believed that lie. Hospital cost, in my opinion, are high because hospital administrators like to make a 500,000 a year salaries.

In my opinion, it is profitting at its worse.

This does not however allow Hillary and comapny to declare a health crisis in America. Again, 86 percent insured in America is not a crisis.

The poor not paying their fair share, greedy hospitals, greedy insureance companies, greedy pharmacies, and greedy politicians make for high health care in America.

Therefore, the issue for me is not that 13.6 percent in America are uninsured. The issue for me is the greed and waste in hospitals and doctors offices.

Insuring people will not lower prices. Forcing me to buy insureance will not lower prices. In this healthcare equation, not even competition lowers health prices.

May be a consumer rebellion where people picked hospitals and doctors offices to lower their prices might work."

Comments (Page 4)
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on Oct 01, 2007

“Bush said he would support extending the program, just not the added nonsense that was packed on to the bill. You know, the nonsense you refuse to acknowledge because it's not part of the DNC talking points.”


Do you know how many bills Bush signed that were PACKED with Pork and Earmarks when the GOP controlled Congress? He and you are full of BS and I hope that any GOP incumbents that put loyalty to Bush over the welfare of 3.5 Million Children is removed from Congress in November 2008!
on Oct 01, 2007
Do you know how many bills Bush signed that were PACKED with Pork and Earmarks when the GOP controlled Congress? He and you are full of BS and I hope that any GOP incumbents that put loyalty to Bush over the welfare of 3.5 Million Children is removed from Congress in November 2008!


Gene, you are a democratic hack so you don't want any republican in office.  Once again you ignore the issue, why is that gene?

Do you not have a problem with extending coverage to non-children, to people that make enough to have their own insurance, and allow loopholes for illegal immigrants?

Just keep repeating the DNC talking points gene.


on Oct 01, 2007





Reply By: Island Dog Posted: Monday, October 01, 2007
“Do you know how many bills Bush signed that were PACKED with Pork and Earmarks when the GOP controlled Congress? He and you are full of BS and I hope that any GOP incumbents that put loyalty to Bush over the welfare of 3.5 Million Children is removed from Congress in November 2008!


Gene, you are a democratic hack so you don't want any republican in office. Once again you ignore the issue, why is that gene?”

NO-- I do not want ANYONE in office that has acted like Bush and the GOP in Congress WHO have ignored the majority of Americans and have failed to solve the many important issues that face our country! There was a time when the GOP stood for balanced Budgets and keeping out of nation building. There was a time when the GOP controlled spending in a responsible way.

Today that is NOT the GOP. Today the Democrats are closer to those principals.
on Oct 01, 2007
NO-- I do not want ANYONE in office that has acted like Bush and the GOP in Congress WHO have ignored the majority of Americans and have failed to solve the many important issues that face our country!


You still can't address the real issue of the S-CHIP program, and are just repeating the usual rhetoric.  Although I would love to hear how democrats will actually do anything except push their socialist agenda.



Today that is NOT the GOP. Today the Democrats are closer to those principals.


Just like Hillary's new plan to give every child $5000 just for being born.  Yeah, look for democrats to balance the budget.  LOL.
on Oct 01, 2007
Just like Hillary's new plan to give every child $5000 just for being born.


I was wondering about that...can "born again" Christians claim the $5000 TWICE?
on Oct 01, 2007
I was born. Where's my money?
on Oct 01, 2007
I was wondering about that...can "born again" Christians claim the $5000 TWICE?


I'm not Southern baptist so I can be 'born again' many times.

Hmmm, Once a month should be plenty to live off of VERY comfortably don't wanna be too greedy hehe.

Great idea Gid.

CHEERS!
on Oct 01, 2007
be paid for either in more efficiency in health care


Only one problem with that - the government has organized economic incentives specifically & intentionally to decrease efficiency in delivery of health care. How I wish I could be rewarded for being efficient, but the bureaucracy places obstacles to efficiency everywhere it can (God forbid a doctor make a nickel for a lab test).
on Oct 01, 2007
(Citizen)Island DogOctober 1, 2007 11:16:22Reply #58
“NO-- I do not want ANYONE in office that has acted like Bush and the GOP in Congress WHO have ignored the majority of Americans and have failed to solve the many important issues that face our country!


You still can't address the real issue of the S-CHIP program, and are just repeating the usual rhetoric. Although I would love to hear how democrats will actually do anything except push their socialist agenda.” Thus has NOTHING to do with a socialist agenda. That is pure BS!


The issue is simple—A Bi-partisan majority of Congress debated the expansion of the S-CHIP and passed it. This was not handled like an Earmark or some pork. It was debated and passed by a very large number in Congress. There is no valid reason why this should not become law except for OUR STUBBOREN PRESIDENT. If GOP members of the congress refuse to override a Bush veto, they will be placing party above the will of the Congress and what the majority of Americans support. It is that simple. Bush does not care what the majority of Congress or the majority of the people want. For him the only thing that counts is what Bush wants. We are closer to a Dictatorship in America then at anytime since 1776!
on Oct 01, 2007
There is no valid reason why this should not become law except for OUR STUBBOREN PRESIDENT


There is plenty of reasons, especially the ones you keep ignoring.



We are closer to a Dictatorship in America then at anytime since 1776!


This shows how delusional you really are.  You should understand the government isn't run on media polls.


on Oct 01, 2007
Reply By: Island Dog Posted: Friday, September 28, 2007
Bush supports continued funding of the S-CHIP program, not a huge increase for people who don't need it. You would think people like yourself who complain about budgets, would want government to control spending.


NOT TRUE! Bush SUPPORTED EXPANDING THE SCHIP PROGRAM IN 2004. SINCE THIS BILL IS SELF FUNDING IT DOES NOT INCREASE THE BUDGET DFEICIT!


Hey klink, Bililary says she can do it for 1.3 billion dollars. That is a total crock of BS! First off where is the 1.3 going to be coming from? Our pockets (tax dollars) of course. And if she thinks she can do it for the 7.6% of "actual" true americans (read that as those that are not illegal aliens), then she is nuttier that a fruit cake!
on Oct 01, 2007
This shows how delusional you really are. You should understand the government isn't run on media polls.

I guess the vast majority of Congress who the people elected to pass laws like the one we are talking about is a MEDIA POLL!

YOU are an IDIOT. YES WE HAVE A DICTATOR as PRESIDENT.
on Oct 01, 2007
I guess the vast majority of Congress who the people elected to pass laws like the one we are talking about is a MEDIA POLL!


Sorry gene, I didn't see democrats campaigning on more entitlements and more spending.



YOU are an IDIOT. YES WE HAVE A DICTATOR as PRESIDENT.


LOL.  If Bush was a dictator then democrats would love him.  If you ever want an example of why nobody takes you seriously, or cares about what you write, just read your post here.


on Oct 01, 2007
YOU are an IDIOT. YES WE HAVE A DICTATOR as PRESIDENT.


Name calling? just answer the bloody question Col.

This is another reason why no one takes you serious. When challenged you retort to name calling. I have seen pretty much everyone concede on an issue they were incorrect on except you.

And YOU call the Pres. stubborn.

on Oct 01, 2007
We have a dictator as President? Then what's all this Democrat campaigning nonsense?
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