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Published on September 19, 2007 By jesseledesma In Politics
Ok, I really do not like HIllary Clinton and I think time is better spent focusing on the positives in the conservative movement.

However, this talk about a need for healthcare reform has gotten my attention. In this debate, the first point I would like to make is that less than 14 percent are uninsured in America. The news has been reporting that 44 million are unisured. Well, there is 300 known people in America.

I divided 300 in to 44 (300/44) and I got 13.6 percent. Now, how should we interpret this? To me this means that 86.4 percent are insured. Now can 86.4 percent insured people in America be a health care crisis?

In texas, even though you do not have insurance you can not be denied medical treatment at a hospital. Therefore, it cannot be that people are not getting treatment.

I think the reason healthcare is on the democrats and news media evil and sinister minds is that they cannot win with knocking Bush on Iraq and the economy.

Only a fool would say America has a bad economy. The economy is great. Tax revenue is up at the treasury. Salaries are up. Americans are saving and investing.

In addition, this last week's report by Patrues shows major improvements in Iraq. Conratualations and good job Mr. President.

Therefore, in my opinion, they are making up issues and the liberal-agenda driven news media is helping them democrats. The rhetoric is so high that some republicans are sounding the horn of neededd health care reform in America, also.

Now, what do I know about health care. Well I know we as people are not good at taking care of our selves and American medicine is "repair" medicine and not "illness prevention" medicine.

In addition, health insureance companies cheat and rob people. I was looking at insureance rates on the internet. The best I saw was a $88 a month premiun, a 2500 deductible, and a $35 dolor co-pay on doctor's visits. In El Paso a doctors visit is about $75.

Well, I used my financial calculator to figure out how much I would have if I put 88 a month into a five percent annual interest account and after taxes I would get 1,349. That is close to the deductable. Therefore, in my simple analysis it would be better to put $88 dollars in a five percent interst account and pay my medical bills from that, then pay for medical insureance.

Now for regular doctors visits and and maybe sound medicines this would be a good practice. However, what if I get a serious illness? Hum, good question. Well is there insureance where I can take care of the small stuff my self and have insureance cover the big stuff?

Oh that is right greedy and unscrupulous insureance comapnies do not like to pay for the big stuff. Don't they even deny people insureance for previous existing conditions?

Moreover, I have asked this question before and I will ask it again. "How can people with cell phones, cable/satelite TV, and internet justify asking the government to pay for their healthcare. I actually know people who pay $500 dollars a month on their cell phone bill, but do not have health or life insureance.

Of course I want to beat home the point that you cannot trust insureance companies. I do not want goverment forcing me to engage in a business relationship with business people I know are going to try and screw me at the first chance they get.

I don't mind being responsible. I'll even buy health insureance. However, some one better tell what they are going to do to keep CEO's of major insureance companies from leaving the coutnry with all my money. Remember Enron?

Okay, now I will trash hospitals. Yes they do charge more than they should, in my opinion. Look at the salaries of hospital administrators and you will see why you pay $100 dollars an aspirin that you can get a 100 for five bucks at the store.

Now, they will tell you it is for funding new medical technologies. I have never believed that lie. Hospital cost, in my opinion, are high because hospital administrators like to make a 500,000 a year salaries.

In my opinion, it is profitting at its worse.

This does not however allow Hillary and comapny to declare a health crisis in America. Again, 86 percent insured in America is not a crisis.

The poor not paying their fair share, greedy hospitals, greedy insureance companies, greedy pharmacies, and greedy politicians make for high health care in America.

Therefore, the issue for me is not that 13.6 percent in America are uninsured. The issue for me is the greed and waste in hospitals and doctors offices.

Insuring people will not lower prices. Forcing me to buy insureance will not lower prices. In this healthcare equation, not even competition lowers health prices.

May be a consumer rebellion where people picked hospitals and doctors offices to lower their prices might work."

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on Sep 27, 2007
What ever we do must be paid for either in more efficiency in health care and or by higher taxes.


As usual gene's solution to everything is raising taxes.  However, he did leave out that those taxes should only be paid by one class of people.



The reason why the vast majority if not almost all do not have insurance is the simply can not pay the cost. After they pay for housing, food, clothing etc there is nothing left to pay the cost of health insurance which can run $500-700 per month for a family.


But yet they can afford multiple TV's, cable, internet, iPods, own their home, etc. 


on Sep 27, 2007
Every one on Medicaid is both poor and has no health insurance other then the coverage from the federal government.
on Sep 27, 2007
(Citizen)Island DogSeptember 27, 2007 09:52:05Reply #23
“What ever we do must be paid for either in more efficiency in health care and or by higher taxes.


As usual gene's solution to everything is raising taxes. However, he did leave out that those taxes should only be paid by one class of people.”

LOOK at the under lined section of my statement you IDIOT!
on Sep 27, 2007
LOOK at the under lined section of my statement you IDIOT!


Gene, your immature responses are growing quite old.  Do you understand why nobody takes you seriously, or cares about what you write because of your childish insults whenever someone challenges your usual nonsense?

I saw what you wrote, and I also saw:  and or by higher taxes

Was I wrong that you only want one class of Americans to pay these higher taxes? 


on Sep 27, 2007
"I saw what you wrote, and I also saw: and or by higher taxes

Was I wrong that you only want one class of Americans to pay these higher taxes?"

I believe the ability to pay more without causing serious financial problems is essential. I also know that if we must increase taxes it should be on the wealthy because it will have less impact on spending.

Show me where I am incorrect!
on Sep 27, 2007
Bureaucracies are the reason for high insurance costs!

My understanding to the friends and family who are doctors: Very little actually makes it to the doctor unless they are making it through the pharm. companies. They other way that Doctor's have found a way to make more is through the referral network. The insurance companies and pharm. companies are the one's making the dough. Mal-practice has had a MAJOR influence on this very topic as well. This is another example of how a 'few' have GREATLY effected the 'many.' If the 'electronic' medical records go through this will force the few aging honest doctors out of business as the costs of this software will force them to close their practice.

It is sad to me when the servants of man are no longer given the respect they deserve. Greed is a silent killer no matter where you go.

k done with my rant.

on Sep 27, 2007
Show me where I am incorrect!


I have lost count doing that.
on Sep 27, 2007
Col said:

What ever we do must be paid for either in more efficiency in health care and or by higher taxes.


ID said:

As usual gene's solution to everything is raising taxes. However, he did leave out that those taxes should only be paid by one class of people.


A reply to the end of Col's statement. The suspense builds!



Col replied:

“What ever we do must be paid for either in more efficiency in health care and or by higher taxes.


As usual gene's solution to everything is raising taxes. However, he did leave out that those taxes should only be paid by one class of people.”

LOOK at the under lined section of my statement you IDIOT!


A brilliant response. Better to be thought a fool then to open mouth and remove ALL doubt!

*sigh* this is going to go way over the Col's head and I fear I have wasted my time.

Ever watch Jeff Dunham with peanut? Col is the guy that Peanut goes NEEEEEEEEEYOOOOM (with hand gesture of going over head).
on Sep 27, 2007
Every one on Medicaid is both poor and has no health insurance other then the coverage from the federal government.


If all the poor who have no medical insurance are on medicaid, how can you say they don't have access to medical care?
on Sep 27, 2007
“I saw what you wrote, and I also saw: and or by higher taxes

Was I wrong that you only want one class of Americans to pay these higher taxes?

I believe the ability to pay more without causing serious financial problems is essential. I also know that if we must increase taxes it should be on the wealthy because it will have less impact on spending.”


Anyone on Medicaid has SOME coverage but as Bush cuts funding and the states have more problems funding their share, the quality and types of care will become less and less. I think Congress and the President should receive the same care as under Medicaid. After all the tax payers pay for Medicaid as well as the health coverage for Congress and the President. Let’s give them the same level of coverage as the poor and while we are at it let's lower their salary to minimum wage and end their pension plan.
on Sep 28, 2007
ColGene, I just got off medicaid because my wife now has a job with great benefits. It now costs MORE for me to be seen by a doctor and get my prescriptions. Sorry to burst your little warped bubble, but people on medicare/medicaid have MORE access to medical care than people with insurance. I've had to quit some treatments that I could do while on medicare, why? Because I can't afford the copay on insurance.

You can spread all the lies you want about how people on Medicare/Medicaid are being short changed, but having seen both sides, sorry, you are dead wrong.(as usual)
on Sep 28, 2007
My step son was on Medicaid and many doctors would not accept that coverage. I also said with the Cuts that Bush has proposed in Medicaid, there will come a day when the available money will not be sufficient to pay for the medical care. He has been pushing more and more of the cost of Medicaid to the states. It is a BID SHELL GAME! Everyone wants benefits but no one wants to pay! Bush is about to request $190 Billion mostly for the Iraq war and at the same time said he will veto the Children’s health Bill. The Democrats should combine the Children’s health Bill with the Bush request for Iraq.
on Sep 28, 2007
Bush is about to request $190 Billion mostly for the Iraq war and at the same time said he will veto the Children’s health Bill. The Democrats should combine the Children’s health Bill with the Bush request for Iraq.


You mean the bill that gives more coverage to non-children, and people who have enough income to have insurance on their own.  It's hilarious how you just repeat DNC talking points without explaining the real story behind this bill.


on Sep 28, 2007
As well as illegal immigrants!


Yes, I forgot to mention that. 

Isn't it funny how people like gene who do nothing but complain about budgets and border security, has no problem wasting billions on giving handouts to people who don't need it?


on Sep 28, 2007
Please explain why Bush supported this in 2004 during the reelection campaign and now will VETO it? WHAT has changed? Do these children not need health coverage in 2007 as they did in 2004?
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